http://www.4thought.tv/4thoughts/0304-S … er-faiths-

Looks like the Mormons have been featured a few times, on this 5 minute programme.

many thanks

"The City Creek Center is a 20-acre (81,000 m2) shopping center development under construction near Temple Square in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. It is an undertaking by Property Reserve, Inc. (the commercial real estate division of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) and Taubman Centers, Inc. Plans for the center call for shopping and residential elements, with foliage-lined walkways and streams covering three blocks in the heart of downtown Salt Lake. The City Creek Center is scheduled to be completed in 2012. This shopping, office and residential center will encompass nearly 20 acres (81,000 m2) of downtown Salt Lake City.[1] The city will be one of few in the nation with a vibrant, mixed-use development at its core. [2]
City Creek Center construction as seen from the corner of South Temple and West Temple Streets. Looking Southeast, 6 large cranes can be seen in this view (Dec 2008)."

All the money the church owns surely orignated from tithing, what happened to feeding the poor,clothing the naked? One of my colleagues went to help out in Haiti for a few weeks and people are still homeless and starving there. 4 billion dollars would have rebuilt there country.

I also heard the cntracts all went out to construction companies owned by GA and apostles grandsons etc. They are simply transferring the church's wealth to their own pockets. Tehre is no way of knowing if it is tithing or not as the church does not open its books to public scrutiny.

Should the church be making money or spending the Lord's money on real estate entures?

It is amazing how clever the church is in asking you to constantly pray and see how you feel. You feel something in the end and interpret it as an answer from God. How do you know that the feeling means Joseph Smith saw God and Jesus?

Your faith as a mormon is built on feelings. The Apostle Paul says we should beware of our hearts which are easily fooled.

Have you thought about how you came to believe in the church?

What was it for you that started you thinking that the church was false?  That led to you looking for the truth, when you had been seriously advised to stay away from sources that may provide it?

For me, it was the temple.  I hated it, I was frightened and I really wanted to run.  The two things that stopped me - were I did not know how to get my husband's attention as he was seated so far away from me, and I also did not know where my clothes were and did not want to ruch out into the streets screaming in what I was wearing.

It was a real turning point for me and my husband.  As converts to the church it seemed harmless and wholesome until that point, then it became so dark and cult like it was very scarey.  We are able to laugh about it at the moment, because we share the same sense of humour - why go to Disney?

Just thought I would ask, as we have all reached the same point - what brought us all here?

Well DNA tests on over 12,000 american indians did not find one strand of jewish DNA.

So in 2007 the church sneakily (without announcing it) changed the paragraph to say that the lamanites were "among" the ancestors of the american indians.

Now when you consider this it is a massive downgrade. The book of mormon does not mention any other people apart from the Jaredites. They were also Jews.

This is a massive sea change. There are pictures in the church teaching programme which show joe smith telling the indians about their ancestry. Spencer W Kimble testified that all the american indians came from Lehi and Ishmael.

All of the scientific research shows the DNA of the american indians is asian. They came accross the Baring Straightsfrom russia to Canada when the sea was frozen having come accross asia through to Russia. They were Asian not Jewish.

Clearly this point is a massive concession and proves that the story of the book of mormon is pure fiction not one shred of scientific or archeological evidence supports the truth of the book.

It was a good scam back in Smith's day but the cat is out of the bag so to speak.

I hear through the grapevine that a lot of missionaries are asking to go home in the first quarter of this year. many have taught peopl who have shown them this information on the net, Sounds like the truth is setting them free after all.

Any one got a view either way. is the book of mormon true?

It has not been easy since I left, and some days are still very hard, but I chose to retain my relationship with God in Christ and walk the walk of faith here in St Helens, NW England. I run a small house church, very informal, and if you would like to join us you would be very welcome. if that doesn't appeal, no problem. If you'd just like to meet up for coffee, cake and a chat, let me know and I'll be there.

I appreciate that we each make our own decision about where we go after we leave Mormonism - for me it's continuing with Christ and supporting others who wish to do so - and firmly believe that unless you have been Mormon, you cannot possibly begin to understand the mental anguish and struggle involved in leaving it behind.

Neolady

Eventually after speaking to the Stake President he came back to me. I thought that he would clear it up. I thought surely the church has made a statement about this. I was shocked when he simply told me that if I told anyone else the church would take steps to protect itself. Yes, I was threatened with excomunication. He said the Stake President would not look at the papers but had sent them to the area president. 7 months later still no word from the Area President. Out of the blue I got a call from the Bishop. At first I thought may be this is a response. After a quick sound bite of how are you he asked me, have you paid a full tithe this year. He was doing tithing settlement over the phone. When I told him they would not be getting another peny from me until they satisfactorily answered my concerns he hung up.

Over the next 25 years of my working life I would have paid a minimum of £150k in tithing maybe more if my business expands and devleopes further. You can see why they want to protect the churches interests.

My kids will probably get a decent inheritance now that I am not funding the Morg.

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

What more evidence do you need to prove that the church is not true.

It is such a shame that so many good honest people have been deceived.

Its been thirty five years since I walked out of the Mormon church, and became alienated from my family. I managed to keep some form of relationship with my mother until her death ten years ago. But for thirty years I could not bring myself to talk to my father. After my mother died I decided to meet with my father and express how I felt about his hypocrisy. We made an attempt at a relationship which grew to a kind off distant respect. However my father died last week and I feel I need to tell my story. I live in Surrey and would love to hear from anyone who has experienced or is experiencing ideological dogma!

David

There are plans afoot to have an informal gathering in Birmingham, sometime mid-September. It will be a Saturday afternoon, in a pub.

Get in touch if you want more info..

Cheers